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Top 5 Worst Internet Health Information Sites: Part 2: Iodine Supplementation Support Forum by VWT Team Part 1

Curezone actually has two separate iodine support forums.  I don’t trust the information being given on either one of the forums.  The forum that most worries me though is the Iodine Supplementation Support Forum by VWT Team forum.

One of the issues I have with this forum is that I have read so many people complaining of iodine poisoning symptoms on this forum.  When people report their side effects though it is always the same false reply.  The people dealing with iodine poisoning are told that their symptoms are actually from a “bromine detox”.

Two of the main recommendations that the people suffering from iodine poisoning are given is to do a salt flush and then increase their iodine intake even more.  The salt flushes are claimed to flush the bromine out of their systems, but salt flushes push the excess iodine causing the poisoning out of their system.  The induced hyperthyroidism from the toxic levels of iodine is then suppressed by taking even larger doses of iodine, which force the thyroid to start shutting down thus getting rid of the iodine induced hyperthyroidism.

The VWT team is not worried about who their advice is going to injure, they just want people to consume more iodine so they can sell those people more iodine.  It’s actually quite a scam.  Get people to take toxic levels of iodine, get them to flush out the excess iodine with a salt flush and finally get them to buy and take even more iodine from them to suppress the thyroid the iodine induced hyperactivity in.

Anyone questioning the safety of the recommendations are banned from the forum as I was and this poster:

I was eventually banned completely from Curezone after putting up several posts proving the dangers of taking too much iodine.  I found out later that Trapper, the “T” in VWT was one of the originals on Curezone and is an advertiser on Curezone.  And since the Curezone Webmaster cares as little about safety as the VWT team and is also money oriented I clearly had to go since I was questioning safety of Curezone protocols.

One of the common symptoms that are reported is acne, which again is incorrectly blamed on a bromine detox.  It was known long before bromine became somewhat common in food that iodine could cause acne.  This article from 1912 demonstrates this fact.


More currently, these articles again show a link between iodine and acne:—The-Controversy&id=348151


Even naturopathic doctors  admit that iodine can cause acne:

“SSKI or iodine can very occasionally cause acne, which also goes away once the source of iodine is discontinued.”


When I posted the Science News article discussing the connection I had several iodine supporters start claiming that I was against iodine supplementation.  Despite explaining to them multiple times that I use and recommend herbs with iodine and that the problem only occurs in some sensitive individuals the iodine forum supporters kept up with the same bogus claims.

I have never been against iodine, I am against the recommending of toxic doses of iodine.  As I told the iodine forum supporters too much water or oxygen can kill a person.  This does not mean people should not drink water or stop breathing.

It has been shown that both bromine and iodine can cause acne for the same reasons, irritation and inflammation off the follicles, there are differences.  Bromine induced acne results in  deeper infections and abscesses.  In addition, bromine acne takes much longer to clear up than iodine induced acne.  Bromine induced acne takes around 3 weeks to clear up as where iodine induced acne clears up in a short time.

Despite the acne breakouts from the excess iodine people are reporting not fitting the description of bromine induced acne the iodine forum supporters keep holding to their bogus claim.

More evidence that their claim is bogus can be seen by the simple fact that the breakouts only occur when iodine is ingested.  How is this proof?  Simple.   People are not being exposed to anywhere near as much bromine as the iodine forum supporters are trying to lead people in to believing.  This is why bromism (bromine poisoning) is considered extremely rare.  And in those very rare cases they have been linked almost exclusively to the use of bromine pharmaceutical drugs, which are not widely used.  Since bromine has a very short half-life in the body it just does not get built up in the body again except in extremely rare cases.  In addition, bromine is readily displaced by chlorine and especially fluoride.  The average person is exposed to tremendously larger amounts of chlorine and fluoride than bromine.  Simply taking a bath or shower leads to the absorption of a large amount of chlorine.  Swimming in a pool can do the same thing.  Eating most processed foods or drinks exposes us to large amounts of fluoride as fluoridated water is used to produce the products.  Drinking tap water or brushing the teeth or using fluoridated mouthwash can further expose people to more fluoride.  Green tea has been especially popular over the last few years due to its purported health properties.  Green tea, oolong and black teas are extremely high in natural fluoride, yet there is no epidemic of acne outbreaks among tea drinkers.  With all these more reactive halogens constantly displacing the already short half-life bromine in the body how does it build up in the body as the iodine forum supporters claim?   So far, they have yet to explain this magical phenomenon that they tout.

Also of interest is that when people complain of iodine poisoning symptoms the iodine forum supporters keep telling people to do a salt flush to flush out the bromine that they claim is built up in the tissues.  The salt actually flushes out the excess iodine helping to reduce the symptoms of iodine poisoning.   The important point here though is that the salt (sodium chloride) is half chlorine, which displaces the iodine, especially if not iodized itself.  The salt can also displace bromine out of the body as well if present.  This brings us to the question though of considering how much salt people consume on a daily basis from processed foods, salting their foods, salts naturally occurring in meats,  beer, etc. how can bromine that we are hardly exposed to build up even with all the salt people consume?  Add to this all the other sources of halogens we are exposed to that displace bromine on a daily basis and it is pretty clear that the “bromine detox” claims are simply a myth.

Yet, there is still even more evidence the “bromine detox” claims are a myth.

For example, why don’t people break out all over from soaking in brominated hot tubs?

So far the iodine forum supporters have never been able to answer my questions or counter any of my points with evidence.  Only personal attacks, which proves to me that they cannot support their claims.

If the do try then they don’t even read their own evidence.  For example, in one post an iodine forum supporter posted this study as evidence:

As we read the study we find out that the study is based on ONE case. Yet the people arguing with me try to make it sound like we have a widespread epidemic of bromine poisoning because they found one study about one person developing bromism. Or they read the claim from the first person who made this claim and ran with it without ever checking their facts. In fact the first line of the abstract states “Bromism is an UNUSUAL occurrence”.

Then there is this statement from the same review:

“Bromism, the chronic intoxication with bromide is rare and has been almost forgotten.”

So where are all the cases of bromism?  The iodine forum supporters are making it sound like bromine is in everything so most people will have excess bromine in their system.  If this were the case though then the MAJORITY of the population would have serious acne lesions.  In reality though this is obviously is not the case.  Even when I used to drink sodas like Mountain Dew and ate tons of bread I never got acne.  I never suffered brain damage either or any of the other side effects they claim can occur.  Different people can react differently to bromine, but I find it interesting that as common as they claim bromine exposure is that we do not see more symptoms actually associated with bromism.  Are the majority of people immune to the supposed side effects of bromine, soy and the many other substances that the “sky is falling” proponents are running around warning us about?  Or is it simply more hype than fact?  If it were fact I would also expect there to be a lot of research backing up these claims.  Yet the research is seriously lacking.

Additionally, look at the reactivity of different halogens:

The reactivity of halogens goes from fluorine to chlorine to bromine and finally iodine with fluorine being the most reactive and iodine the least reactive.

The more reactive halogens will displace the less reactive halogens, not the other way around.  So how can the iodine being pushing the bromine out of the body to cause acne when the bromine is a more reactive than the iodine.  If anything the bromine would be pushing the iodine out through the skin once again causing iodine induced acne.

So the iodine forum supporters keep claiming that all the more reactive fluorine and chlorine we are exposed to on a daily basis are not displacing the bromine, but taking less reactive iodine is somehow, suddenly pushing the bromine out of the body.

As we can see the reality of the situation is that the iodine, not bromine, is responsible for these common acne breakouts when taking excess iodine.

Top 5 Worst Internet Health Information Sites: Part 2 Introduction

I started posting on Curezone about 5 years ago.  The moderators liked the detailed posts I wrote explaining health so much that I had several moderators asking me if I wanted my own forum.  Because of time restrictions I originally did not want to have my own forum.   After having my information altered and censored on various Curezone boards because the evidence was contradictory to the moderators of certain boards I finally decided I needed my own forum.  This way I could post evidence without moderators altering, moving or deleting my posts just because the evidence was contradictory to their beliefs.  I aptly named my forum “The Truth in Medicine”.  The archives can be found here:

In the time I was on Curezone my forum climbed to 25th position in the top 300 forums and has been still climbing despite my not being there anymore.  Currently The Truth in Medicine is in 23rd place with all the forums ahead being on Curezone for many more years than my forum.   The reason my forum climbed so fast and has continued to climb is simple.  People are putting their health and lives as well as the health and lives of their family and friends in the hands of someone they never met in person.  Therefore, people have to put their trust in the information being presented to them.  Curezone is full of outright ridiculous claims, recommendations from people who have no idea how the body works, people there just to try to sell their products at any cost,  people who are simply repeating what they read somewhere on a sales or propaganda site and people who think the only evidence required are unsubstantiated testimonials.  My forum was one of the few on Curezone where the owner had a medical background and where evidence from actual studies were being presented.

I had repeatedly stated that the concept of Curezone was great, but not the way it was run.  Curezone was overrun by Internet trolls who continually harassed or had banned anyone posting evidence against bogus claims and therapies being presented.  And the rules were very selectively enforced to suppress information that moderators did not agree with.  I actually held the distinction of being banned from more forums than anyone else ever in Curezone history.  Not because I violated the Terms of Service (TOS), but because I was posting actual studies proving that information being presented was not only wrong, but dangerous.   For example, I discussed being banned from the Adrenal Support forum for posting the dangers of ingesting caustic calcium hydroxide here:

I was even banned from all the debate forums by the Webmaster for the same reason while the trolls who were repeatedly violating the TOS were given free reign.   Entire threads were even dedicated solely to conduct personal attacks against me and personal attacks were allowed against anyone supporting me in direct violation of TOS and not one of these Internet trolls were banned from Curezone, nor were their personal attacks removed.  One of the moderators who promotes a worthless cancer therapy called “oleander soup” sent out a series of messages to other Curezone members trying to recruit them to join in on his campaign of personal attacks against me.  Messages to the Webmaster that included evidence of these TOS violations only resulted in my being banned from more forums by the Webmaster instead of banning the TOS violators. Why?  Because many claims I was exposing as quackery and the TOS violations were being made by Curezone moderators were also advertising their products on Curezone.  Therefore, profits were being put before health and safety on Curezone.  Ironically, this is the same thing that so many people on Curezone complain the pharmaceutical companies are doing.

It is also ironic that the motto for Curezone is “educating instead of medicating”.  Why is this ironic?  Well first of all how are people being educated when the heavy hand of censorship is being wielded on Curezone?  The only information that is allowed are statements the moderators agree with regardless If it is true or not.  The other irony about the motto has to do with the fact of how often pharmaceutical drugs are pushed on Curezone.  For example, one of the largest sites on Curezone, and from what I heard the founder of the forum is also one of the people who founded Curezone, is the “Iodine Supplementation Support Forum by VWT Team”.  This site routinely promotes toxic levels of Lugol’s iodine, which the forum owner sells.  Lugol’s iodine is not a natural product though, but rather a pharmaceutical drug.  This is not educating, but rather medicating with toxic levels of a drug.  More on that later.  I have also seen various other pharmaceutical drugs pushed on Curezone including Fluconazole on the Candida Support forum and steroids on the Adrenal Support forum.  On the Cancer Support forum the moderator pushes oleander extracts for cancer and other diseases.  The extracts he promotes include pharmaceutical oleander extracts, which have been shown to be ineffective for cancer in human trials.

If the Webmaster of Curezone wishes to be honest then the motto of Curezone should be changed to “Doing whatever it takes to make a profit regardless of who gets hurt”.

Another problem I had with Curezone is that warning of potential dangers was never allowed on support forums.  “Support” was defined as agreeing with the moderator’s opinions.  It does not include safety tips or warning of potential dangers. The first forum I was ever banned from was the “Liver Flush Support” forum.  I was banned for posting there is a risk of lodging a real stone in the bile ducts, which can lead to pancreatitis and require emergency surgery.  Such cases have been reported in the medical journals after people attempted these so-called “liver flushes”.  In my view support should include any and all helpful information, which includes potential dangers.  Otherwise, someone may not realize what is going on and get the proper help if such an event does occur.  I found out though that such warnings will get you banned from a number of Curezone forums.

Such heavy handed censorship really discredits sites like Curezone.  The vast majority of people running Curezone forums have no medical background at all and don’t even know how to research for or interpret medical studies.  Therefore, they simply repeat they read on sales or propaganda sites without ever bothering to verify if the claims have any truth to them.  For example, I have seen it stated on Curezone over and over that Otto Warburg won the Nobel Peace Prize for showing that cancer resulted from a lack of oxygen.  This, or variations of this claim, are commonly made on various websites particularly selling oxygenating or alkalizing products.  The problem is that this is not what Warburg won the Nobel Peace prize for, nor did he ever claim that cancer resulted from a lack of oxygen.  Warburg won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1931 for discovering a respiratory enzyme he called “iron oxidase”.   Furthermore, Warburg never claimed that cancer resulted from a lack of oxygen.  Warburg claimed that cancer would continue to ferment REGARDLESS of how much oxygen was present.  In fact, we know today that cancer cells actually rely quite heavily on oxygen and respiration.

This is a good example of why researching claims is so important.  Otherwise the same old misinformation just keeps getting recycled over and over misleading people and putting their health at risk.

Different views should be allowed.  For example, I allowed debate on my forum and I still do on as long as it is actual debating and it is kept civil.  Debate involves taking stand on a view and presenting evidence to back that view.  Debate is not simply repeatedly saying someone you disagree with is wrong without presenting evidence to back that claim.  It is not name calling either.  I have banned people previously for both actions, but when people actually debated civilly I allowed it because it served several important actions.  First and foremost it requires the presentation of evidence to back the claims.  Not opinions or hearsay, but actual evidence.  Secondly, researching claims to back a stance in a debate increases the knowledge of a subject as the person finds new research on the subject.  It also allows other research to be presented and reviewed to see if any of the research was manipulated or misinterpreted so that old outdated or simple misinformation gets discarded rather than repeated.

Debate is not allowed on Curezone though, even in the debate forums.  If evidence is presented in the debate forums that the moderators disagree with the messages are deleted and the poster is banned from the forum.  Therefore, evidence of quackery nor safety issues behind claims are not allowed unless in line with the moderators beliefs.  You can say that chemotherapy is dangerous and can kill you, but you are not allowed to point out that excess alkalinity is dangerous and can kill you.

Interestingly, one of the arguments I have heard numerous times on Curezone when updated research is presented is that current ideas get changed in the future as new research shows something different.   This is true in some cases, but not always.  For example, it has been known that blood is pumped by the heart for hundreds of years, but this finding has never been discredited with new research.  When it fits their needs though, this principle no longer applies.  Research for example has proven that the big, squishy green blobs passed from doing the so-called “liver flushes” are saponified oil.  This has been confirmed by actual analysis of these blobs by laboratories.  Despite this fact the “liver flush supporters still claim these are real gallstones because this is the misinformation that has been passed down for around a century.

The other tactic I ran in to repeatedly on Curezone when I presented solid evidence against claims being made on Curezone was the chronic name calling.  I had been called everything from the Devil to a quack on Curezone for presenting proof of quackery on Curezone.  More commonly I was referred to as a pharmaceutical shill since the Curezone trolls had nothing to counter my evidence with.  Anyone knowing me though knows that I am highly against pharmaceutical drugs and don’t believe in most medical procedures except in very extreme cases.  This is why I have written extensively about the dangers of various pharmaceutical drugs, false claims made about their effectiveness, medical corruption, how often unnecessary medical procedures are performed, the high inaccuracies of many lab tests, etc.  I have not even been to a doctor myself in 32 years because I have personally witnessed more than enough medical malpractice and quackery by allopathic doctors.  All this gets ignored on Curezone though since facts and evidence are considered highly taboo on most of Curezone.

I have watched activity drop drastically on Curezone over the last year as people realize that Curezone is not a very credible source of health information.  Many of the most informative posters have also left because they did not want to deal with the extreme politics of Curezone where if you are not part of the Curezone troll clique they make sure you know it.  This has also left a large number of people simply too afraid of posting any questions or answers because they have seen other harassed relentlessly on Curezone for simply disagreeing with a protocol, posted evidence to the contrary, posted dangers or mentioned they had side effects to a certain protocol.  One doctor on Curezone, Dr. Lam who was very much in to supporting the adrenals with vitamin C and herbs was harassed so bad he finally left as well.   In my personal case the harassment even included a threat sent to me by one Curezone poster who frequents the Cancer Support forum  and I have had others post things on my old personal message board that was so derogatory that I would not even repeat what was written.  Other Curezone trolls even used my icon and tried to impersonate me to make it sound like I was agreeing with their false claims.

It is really a shame the way Curezone is run because it really is a good concept.  Promoting so much quackery though, censoring real research and prohibiting any posts other than those that are in line with the moderator’s opinion don’t do anyone any good.  Worse yet, such actions are very detrimental to the holistic medicine field.  Holistic medicine is always under a microscope unlike allopathic medicine.   Hundreds of thousands of people can die as a result from chemotherapy and nobody pays attention.  One person dies from a holistic therapy and it is front page news.  When Curezone promotes quackery and suppresses actual functional and safe holistic therapies supported by studies this gives the FDA and other groups more ammunition against the holistic health field.  If we are ever to get holistic medicine to be accepted in the same manner as allopathic medicine then proven bogus therapies such as “liver flushing” need to be stop being promoted and the proven therapies need to be brought back to the forefront.

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